Abortion IS murder!
Posted by tim in Pissed on November 7, 2004

"Abortion is a good choice for a woman who had a condom break during sex. She didn't want the baby to begin with, so if she gets pregnant she will want an abortion, and that's okay."

Ok, yeah.. That makes perfect sense... As Siplus stated, since that baby wasn't wanted and the parents decided to have an abortion rather than bring it into a world where it isn't wanted, it is just as okay to go out and kill all the homeless and unwanted teenagers, is it not?

Also, what's the purpose of sex? Is it not human reproduction? So, given that fact, if there is no desire to have a baby, rather than go through with the sex, conception, and all that jazz, why not just avoid the sex since there is no desire for a child to come of it?!

"Oh, what about rape victims?" That is a case where I have no opinion.

"If your own sister was raped and became pregnant, you would suggest abortion." Don't make assumptions.

"But there are more murders every day than there are abortions. Look at Iraq!" You know what, I don't care... Well, I do, but I don't. The thing about the "war" in Iraq is that we had no right to be there in the first place. Because someone fucked up and we are now there, we have to finish what we started. And war is different than abortion. Look at the Bible. War has been going on since Cain and Abel. That is going off-track though. At least with wars, there is usually some reason to retalliate. Consider an unborn child that can't even say "fuck you"...

You know what though, this is MY OPINION, so don't even bother reading it if you are pro-choice.

 
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If I were to be raped and became pregnant, I would have the baby then give it up for adoption. It isnt the baby's fault that I was raped and brought emotional harm, so it should have to die.

  • Posted by Jennz0rz (Guest) on November 7, 2004 at 10:17:35PM

shouldnt have to die*

  • Posted by Jennz0rz (Guest) on November 7, 2004 at 10:18:15PM

"Abortion is a good choice for a woman who had a condom break during sex. She didn't want the baby to begin with, so if she gets pregnant she will want an abortion, and that's okay." - WRONG. I agree with you here, Tim. I don't think it's right... but I just believe in a woman's right to a choice. I believe that if you're younger than 18 parental consent should be a LAW, though. In this case, though, you were having sex. Condom or not, that's irresponsible... when you choose to have sex, you know there is a risk involved no matter what. I think people should take on that responsibility when things don't go the way they were expecting.

"...it is just as okay to go out and kill all the homeless and unwanted teenagers, is it not?" - This is a pretty silly anology.

"...why not just avoid the sex since there is no desire for a child to come of it?!" - Ah, in an ideal world. This won't happen, so let's live in reality and find better solutions. Making contraceptives and birth controls more widely available to our youth is a good idea, IMHO. As long as it's stated that there are still some risks I don't think it will condone the act. If they are getting these things then they have already made the choice.

"Oh, what about rape victims?" - This is a tough one, isn't it? I would hope that a woman would have the option of abortion within the legal time limits... but I'd more hope that she'd let the child come to term and offer it for adoption. There are sooo many families out there looking for a baby to adopt.

"But there are more murders every day than there are abortions. Look at Iraq!" - Your comment on this strayed from the topic, but the question itself strays from the topic. It doesn't even make any sense to compare murders to abortions.

"Because someone fucked up and we are now there, we have to finish what we started." - It doesn't look to me like Bush is finishing anything. Now that he has the backing of the American people, he's going to continue his war. Kerry is the one that wanted to finish the job and get out of there. I'm not a capitalist at all, so I wasn't really "rooting" for Kerry... I was just rooting for anyone but Bush. I want this war to end. No one seems to understand the infinite value of a human life. http://www.workers.org/ww/2004/iraq1111.php

" Look at the Bible. War has been going on since Cain and Abel." - This doesn't mean it's right! I hope some day we can come together as people... not as states, nations, or religious groups. I hope we can come together in peace one day. This isn't just idealistic nonsense... I believe it can really be done, someday.

In conclusion, I just don't think the government should be able to force people to do one thing or another when it comes to abortion... other than reasonable things that I think we can all agree on (such as drawing a line somewhere between 'abortion' and 'murder', the 3 month rule). Obviously we differ in opinions about when it becomes murder.

Consider this, though: if a woman uses birth control and is actually impregnated, the baby still develops until the woman's period. The egg can't attach to the womb, so it just drops out. Is this abortion? Where is a line drawn?

  • Posted by Dustin (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 12:38:21AM

Also, this cracked me up: "...this is MY OPINION, so don't even bother reading it if you are pro-choice." - why did you put it at the END of the article, then? :P

  • Posted by Dustin (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 12:40:58AM

I respect your opinion, I'll only say that mine is different.

  • Posted by Matt (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 06:38:03AM

I don't see how my analogy of the homeless and other unwanted people was silly. It is the exact same thing. The baby isn't wanted, so lets have an abortion. The bum on the streetcorner isn't wanted, so let's "abort" him too.

  • Posted by tim (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 03:48:07PM

Abortion is the termination of pregnancy, not life.

  • Posted by Dustin (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 04:37:42PM

Dustin, Tim was just using it as an example. Dont go getting freaking technical on him.

  • Posted by Jennz0rz (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 05:02:15PM

"Abortion is the termination of pregnancy, not life."

Uh... I take it you don't agree that a fetus is a living being?

  • Posted by tim (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 05:03:34PM

Can I ask? Is this a personal belief or one bestowed by the beliefs of your religion? They could be the same thing, I hope you get what I mean..

  • Posted by Matt (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 06:38:04PM

Jennz0rz: I said it was silly, he said it wasn't. By him saying that it wasn't (and justifying it twice), I have no choice but to take it as a literal analogy.

Tim: As I said, where is the cut off? When does it become a "living being"? If you're saying that it happens immediately upon conception, then even the standard birth control pill is a form of abortion and murder, because the baby is actually concieved and grows until the pills cause the woman's body to be flushed. You have to draw a line somewhere, and I believe the current line we've drawn is a pretty good one. The main change I'd like to see put into place is that the husband/boyfriend of the women and (if the parents are minors) their parents should have to give their consent as well.

I see obvious concerns with abortions... I'm against them. I'm also pro-choice, though. I believe that making abortions illegal will only cause unsafe and unsanitary "clinics" to pop up that do the service, putting young mothers' lives at risk (case in point: Rose Jimenez, Google her name if you're interested). Because several forms of birth control can also be considered "murder" under what you're saying I think it really comes down to this: where is the line drawn? I think our current laws on time are sufficient.

Is it your opinion that even birth controls should be illegal? If not, then you must have a line drawn somewhere...

  • Posted by Dustin (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 06:39:41PM

Theres enough line drawing there to paint a football field ;)

I am the same as Dustin, pro-choice but against abortion. My question is similar to Dustin's...what constitutes as life?

  • Posted by Matt (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 06:46:50PM

"Is it your opinion that even birth controls should be illegal? If not, then you must have a line drawn somewhere..."

You have officially stumped me. I have no valid response, nor do I have a point to start making my opinion on that topic.

I would request one thing though: From now on, if you disagree with something I say on this blog, rather than making a huge ordeal out of it by writing a thesis, why not just say you disagree, sum up your opinions, and vote the post down?

  • Posted by tim (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 07:27:59PM

Birth control is no longer like that. You should check your information before you go off spouting your protest. What birth control does now, is, it thickens the mucus along the uteris, that way no eggs can be fertilized by the sperm.

A fetus is a living being. If it is not, then what the heck is it? Dead? I think not. It is a life.

  • Posted by Jennz0rz (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 09:21:07PM

Posted Nov 9, 2004 by Matt *.254.0.18 Can I ask? Is this a personal belief or one bestowed by the beliefs of your religion? They could be the same thing, I hope you get what I mean..


Let me answer that with a link: http://www.skudd.com/articles/religion.php

  • Posted by tim (Guest) on November 8, 2004 at 09:49:05PM

Jennz0rz: apparently the methods we've both described are the least likely alternatives... I was talking about the old way of doing things (though it's still done with the morning after pill). You were talking about the "minipill", which as far as I can tell is a less likely alternative to the pills that cause the egg to just not be released. Once again, public education has failed me...

"Most birth control pills contain the combination of the hormones estrogen and progesterone to prevent ovulation (the release of an egg during the monthly cycle). If a woman doesn't ovulate she cannot get pregnant because there is no egg to be fertilized."

Anyway, I'll agree with tim that it's hard to come up with a valid response regardless.

Anyway, I did pretty much sum up my opinion. I could have written quite a bit more and gotten fanatical over it (as I'm famous for doing). I think, when talking about things like this, you should expect a bit of discussion in the comments.

  • Posted by Dustin (Guest) on November 9, 2004 at 02:30:03AM

I don't mind the discussion, but there is an air in this thread of disgust, from both sides.

It is allright to be very fervent about your views, but you need to be respectful of others when you express them.

This comment is aimed at everyone who has commented on this post.

  • Posted by tim (Guest) on November 9, 2004 at 08:41:35AM

I am done with this post. It isnt important to other people, cept for a few who really know me. Consider this the end.

  • Posted by Jennz0rz (Guest) on November 9, 2004 at 10:53:43AM

I win.

lmmfao, j/k. solemnly tosses a handful of dirt on this thread as it decends into the grave

  • Posted by Dustin (Guest) on November 9, 2004 at 01:00:53PM

Dustin, How can you say that your are anti-war because life is precious on one hand and yet be anti-life when it comes to birth? Most people that spout off anti-war jargon haven't got a clue as to why it was important to take a despot like saddam down. It wasn't a F@ck up, or a mistake it was the right thing to do. Something that should have been done in the early 90's when saddam was committing atrocities against the Kurds and other ethnic groups in Iraq.
So just admit it your ANTI-LIFE not pro-choice.

  • Posted by Arthur (Guest) on November 10, 2004 at 08:57:15AM
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